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Jul 31, 2018

Emma is joined by friend & collaborator Gabriel Urbina, the inestimable creator and head writer for Wolf 359, to discuss His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman. Gabriel explains why these are his favorite books of all time, and Emma gets excited to re-read them, as they discuss this "Hippie Acid Trip of a Book." Listen to hear Emma and Gabriel bond over being pretentious teenagers, winemaking as an art form, and not liking what your idols like. Plus: backflips, orange wine, Sancho Panza, cats!, daemons (and demons), Harry Potter and the Patronus Quiz, Pixar, "Schrodinger-esque", cookie-dough, and the silliness police.

Follow Gabriel on Twitter @GabrielUrbinaTM, and follow his Newsletter, "Controlled Chaos", at If you want, check out "Across the Sea" on Anthology by Rachel Liu, written by Gabriel and starring Emma!

Special thanks to Zach Valenti for his help with recording Gabriel's audio this episode. Follow Zach @zachvalenti on Twitter!

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Pairing was created, edited, and produced by Emma Sherr-Ziarko, with music and audio recording by Winston Shaw, and artwork by Darcy Zimmerman and Katie Huey.